Recently, GaryG introduced his interpretation of the Kari Voutilainen Masterpiece 8 while Elizabeth expounded on the A. Lange & Söhne Zeitwerk Minute Repeater .
Here Gary, Elizabeth, and Ian compare and talk about six territories of these two uncommon and specialized watches: plan, development, activity, completing, sound, and by and large impression.
Our members are:
Ian Skellern (IS), fellow benefactor and specialized head of Quill & Pad
Elizabeth Doerr (ED), fellow benefactor and manager in-head of Quill & Pad
GaryG (GG), inhabitant collector
IS: First of all I’d like to begin with a disclaimer: kindly take these comments with a huge touch of salt as none of the three of us comparing these two decimal repeaters have tuned in to both of these watches one next to the other in the metal (not yet, anyway).
IS: Design-wise, the Voutilainen Masterpiece 8 and the A. Lange & Söhne Zeitwerk Minute Repeater couldn’t be more unique. Also, this transforms any comparison into a rundown of individual preferences.
For my own preferences, the appearance of Voutilainen’s Masterpiece 8 is just probably as amazing as possible conceivably want. The high quality guilloche looks faultlessly executed; the gold and blued-steel pomme hands are both rich and truly clear; the 39.5 mm case is perfect for my little wrists (and the correct size for the development as proven by the way that the little seconds dial occupies the space between the middle and 6 o’clock); and those tear drags are essentially sublime.
And turning the watch over it’s ideal to see that there is liberal space (air) around the gongs to augment sound transmission.
It’s hard for me to think about a superior generally planned and completed watch than the Masterpiece 8, yet fortunately I don’t need to in light of the fact that the Zeitwerk Minute Repeater is definitely not a customarily planned timepiece.
Even before we get to the repeater usefulness, a superficial look is sufficient to pass on the way that the A. Lange & Söhne Zeitwerk Minute Repeater is definitely not customary. Alright, it has a round case. Yet, that’s it: there are no hands showing hours and minutes as those signs are bouncing and carefully displayed.
But however unpredictable as the dial format may be, it is pleasantly offset with the hour and minute gaps offering flat balance and the force save pointer and little seconds adjusting the dial vertically.
What I don’t especially like about the Zeitwerk, in spite of the fact that I can see that it’s with regards to without bling German style, is that there is little tone. The A. Lange & Söhne decimal repeater is an assortment of shades of dim. There isn’t anything terrible about these tones, however they don’t add anything for me either.
And then there are those curiously twisted gongs circling the dial and bowing pointedly around their separate sledges. In the event that you will effectively get off the customary way with regards to plan, at that point you need to get directly off the way. Way off. Furthermore, the Zeitwerk Minute Repeater has discovered an ideal harmony among stun and awe.
My traditionalist’s heart longs for the Voutilainen, however my contemporary yearning cries Zeitwerk. Plan insightful I’ll need to consider it a tie.
ED: I concur with you on the heart-parting, Ian. Notwithstanding, the Voutilainen has the edge for me regarding size, while the Zeitwerk executes it for me as far as plan. In the event that the Zeitwerk were the size of the Voutilainen, it would be the hands-down victor for me.
Also, as I said in my survey of the Zeitwerk Minute Repeater , I imagine that the advanced arrangement functions admirably with the decimal rehashing technology.
GG: I concur wholeheartedly with Elizabeth that combining the “decimal” show of the Zeitwerk with a tens-based minute ring was roused, and as this is the focal guideline of both the visual and hear-able plans of the Zeitwerk, I need to value its coherence.
The fundamental appearance of the Zeitwerk is, be that as it may, one of those affection it-or-not suggestions. Also, for reasons unknown, it has never been my top pick among A. Lange & Söhne’s dial-side showcase schemes.
At the day’s end, I’m casting a ballot “exemplary” over “present day” on this measure. I additionally have incredible profound respect for the Masterpiece 8 as the principal watch to show the full arrangement of configuration prompts that have become the signs of Voutilainen’s particular and exquisite style as I clarified in my audit of it .
IS: This is a comparison between two extraordinary decimal repeaters, so with regards to development what is important most is the decimal repeater. Furthermore, here, in any event for me, the realities are obvious: Voutilainen made the primary minute repeater wristwatch (the main that we think about, at any rate). And keeping in mind that that likely could be the lone critical development in the generally traditional Masterpiece 8, it’s a major one.
While the Zeitwerk Minute Repeater wasn’t the primary decimal repeater, it has a rundown of noteworthy specialized advancements longer than a loosened up fountainhead. Here are only a couple: ergonomic press button repeater initiation rather than the customary case band slide; repeater won’t strike if lacking ability to complete the full array of rings required (security include); crown can’t be pulled out while tolling (security highlight); and on the off chance that the time changes after the repeater begins ringing, the hop/change is postponed until the strikes finish.
Minute and decimal repeater systems can be effectively − and lavishly − harmed if the time is set or changed while in activity, and A. Lange & Söhne’s wellbeing highlights will clearly be valued by many experienced collectors.
However, while the Zeitwerk’s developments are (welcome) upgrades to the decimal repeater, I’ll give this round to Voutilainen for coming up with the decimal repeater in the first place.
To be straightforward I’m actually astounded why anybody is making or purchasing standard minute repeaters these days as the decimal repeater is simply quite a lot more helpful for aurally ringing the time in a manner that can undoubtedly be understood.
ED: There is an amazing shortage of decimal repeaters throughout the entire existence of horology – and the present of horology besides – which is actually rather striking given the consistent way that they toll the time.
However, Kari wasn’t the first to place a decimal repeater in a versatile watch. No doubt both John Arnold and John Ellicott each made one decimal rehashing watch in the course of their lives. So while Voutilainen wasn’t the primary generally, he was positively and unequivocally the first to place this thought into a wristwatch.
GG: Just perusing Tony de Haas’ depiction to Elizabeth of what it took to combine the Zeitwerk show and decimal ringing into a sensibly estimated development left me profoundly intrigued. Furthermore, doing as such in a way that permits the mallets and gongs to be seen from the “dial” side of the watch as they do their wizardry is especially sweet.
I’ve said it previously, in any case: a portion of the components of the Zeitwerk’s mechanics that A. Lange & Söhne presents as highlights appear to be more similar to workarounds to me. For instance, there’s that red speck on the force hold that tells the wearer that with 12 hours of the 36-hour save staying, the watch can no longer chime.
I comprehend that this is a characteristic outcome of the single-barrel configuration forced by spatial imperatives, however as a proprietor I’d invest more energy pondering the 12 hours of quietness (or the need to re-wind the watch rashly) than the 24 hours of sound.
As for the Masterpiece 8: while it depends on a LeCoultre ébauche, it is the immediate relative of Kari’s Masterpiece 6, the principal decimal rehashing wristwatch – ever.
I consider the Zeitwerk a victory of critical thinking inside limitations and the Masterpiece 8 as a victory of vision: unique, yet each profoundly commendable in its own way.
IS: While both the Masterpiece 8 and Zeitwerk Minute Repeater are very simple to utilize, I’ll give this one to the Zeitwerk – less for its convenience, however for the trouble in breaking it because of the security includes A. Lange & Söhne has underlying. A stuck repeater component isn’t a thing of radiant beauty.
GG: The wellbeing interlocks that make the Zeitwerk idiot proof surrender it a leg on the more customary, and conceivably more delicate, plan of the Voutilainen, despite the fact that I’m not completely persuaded that the means taken to immobilize the Zeitwerk’s visual showcase during tolling aren’t essential for another workaround, this opportunity to ration power during chiming.
As for button versus slider-activation, I’m genuinely skeptic; so for me the A. Lange & Söhne gets my gesture on generally speaking simplicity – and security – of operation.
ED: Not much left to add, guys.
IS: Both of these developments are wonderfully, however in an unexpected way, wrapped up. And keeping in mind that my gut murmurs Voutilainen, without having the option to compare these two watches next to each other it is very hard to pick a victor. I’m must request a pass here, anyway I will say that both are magnificently hand-completed and I would be incredibly glad to claim either.
ED: In my assessment the nature of the completing is a dead tie. I referenced in my survey of the Zeitwerk , however, that I am of the assessment that this current brand’s watches are the most finely completed huge arrangement pieces offered today. Also, indeed, I realize that “huge arrangement” is relative here.
GG: With the conceivable special case of a select arrangement of Patek Philippe’s super complicated pieces, A. Lange & Söhne watches are to me, and numerous others, the most finely completed sequentially created watches made today. Kari Voutilainen, then again, is one of the a few biggest finishers of his age; and by and large I lean toward the more unobtrusive Swiss-enlivened way to deal with completing to the more confident Saxon style.
IS: While we can discuss the upsides and downsides of each watch’s style for an excessively long time, in the realm of ringing watches one thing matters route regardless of anything else: regardless of how creative, all around planned, or finely completed a repeater might be, it will be made a decision about most importantly on the quality − tone, beat, and volume − of its sound.
And of course for two watches with various developments, position of gongs, state of gongs, case materials, case sizes, and plans, the hints of the tolls are likewise particularly different.
Again, if it’s not too much trouble, remember that we didn’t hear these two watches striking simultaneously in similar conditions, so the accompanying comments are, best case scenario, a rough approximation. In any case, all things considered, I imagine that the Masterpiece 8 has a huge edge on volume, while the Zeitwerk wins on both tone and rhythm. Furthermore, perseverance of tone in that the sound disappears for more after each strike. The A. Lange & Söhne additionally has a preferred position in utilizing a generally quiet dormancy style controller to oversee the speed of the strikes, while the Voutilainen utilizes a very discernible, and very conventional, air regulator.
ED: The superfluous clamor that air controllers produce is something that has in every case truly niggled at me. I hate them.
I far favor compromising that for a calmer gong – regardless of whether the Voutilainen gongs sound practically church like in their resonance!
GG: Now we’re getting down to it!
Full divulgence: I haven’t heard the settled form of the Zeitwerk ring face to face, so I am relying upon the very video that our perusers are. Also, I like it!
I discover the ringing to be perfect, and keeping in mind that the sound of the greater gong is maybe a smidgen slight, that might involve inconspicuous tuning required or even the chronicle procedure used.
Voutilainen’s watch has volume and reverberation making it work, and I’m a major devotee of large, round sound. Then again, at any rate from the video, it appears to be that the A. Lange & Söhne’s controller is more quieted, permitting us to zero in on the sound of the chimes.
Where the Zeitwerk sparkles for me is in the dividing of the tones of the two tolls: when you tune in to the gongs together, you hear a completely separated “do” and “mi” of the “do-re-mi” melodic third.
I’ll need to hear the Lange face to face, however when I do I expect that it will give the Masterpiece 8 a genuine run for its money.
IS: I’m giving the gold award for sound quality to the Zeitwerk, at any rate until I get an opportunity to hear these two watches side by side.
IS: While these two watches do share the huge actuality that they are both uncommon decimal repeaters, that is likewise the lone thing that the A. Lange & Söhne and Voutilainen share as they are totally different watches in so various ways.
When you purchase a watch from a free you are putting resources into the watchmaker as much as the actual watch, and the Masterpiece 8 is a practically consistent expansion of the man. And Voutilainen was first with the decimal repeater wristwatch, the Masterpiece 8 is wonderfully and customarily planned and executed, and it sounds fantastic.
On the other hand, the A. Lange & Söhne Zeitwerk Minute Repeater is an advanced development with appealing, contemporary plan and best in class security highlights. The Zeitwerk sounds better (with the exception of maybe for volume) and is as I would see it in fact the better watch. In any case, all things considered, on the off chance that I was picking a decimal repeater for my own wrist, I’d go for the Voutilainen Masterpiece 8.
ED: If I needed to pick one of these two for my own wrist, I would take the A. Lange & Söhne Zeitwerk Minute Repeater – however just if the case size could by one way or another be decreased to something a smidgen more reasonable for my little wrist.
As that isn’t probably going to happen any time soon, I’d likewise cheerfully wear the traditionally lovely and flawlessly proportioned (for any wrist size) Voutilainen Masterpiece 8, which is both a sharp watch and one that has made a specialized way for others to come behind.
GG: So comparable but so extraordinary! While toward the day’s end I would pick the Voutilainen for my own assortment, the A. Lange & Söhne group has settled on that decision impressively harder than I would have expected with its mechanical visit de force.
If you missed them kindly look at Kari Voutilainen Masterpiece 8 Decimal Repeater and A. Lange & Söhne Zeitwerk Minute Repeater: A Decimal Repeater With Attitude!